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Cover Band: Don't Stop Believing
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Created 3 years, 7 months ago
Edited 2 years, 3 weeks ago
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Jim Bennett (Sent 3 years, 7 months ago)
It's obviously a work in progress. I'm open to suggestion and if anyone would like to collaborate fully send a message!
Earl Thompson (Sent 3 years, 6 months ago)
hello
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Earl Thompson (Sent 3 years, 6 months ago)
There is a difference between a spec. script and a shooting script. As a writer of a speculative script, your duty is to concentrate on the story you're telling. There is not suppose to be any camera angles, any Cut To, or anything to do with camera angles in a speculative script. Unless you have the intention to produce this yourself. A director will never look at this. This is the first website where I see people revolutionizing screenplays; you guys are writing as if you have no respect for formatting or anything. You need to read books that deals with screenplays, because no one on this site can help you.
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Terry Hilmer (Sent 3 years, 6 months ago)
I received your invitation to read and comment on this script. I am happy to lend you what I can as words of wisdom. First, overall you are doing very well with maintaining form and balance with formatting at this point. You do seem to make one mistake that virtually all writers struggle through, its call book/screen writing. It simply means you put a little too much in your narrative or scene settings. For instance, your opening setting is probably okay, trim the fat as they say ... it could be done in less words. But, after KIX speaks, your next setting says: After the introduction. That line should come out completely as it is not necessary. Also, try to watchout for too many common words such as AND. Example, Bar Manager hands $50 to Kix AND walks back to the bar. Two ways you could do that differently is: (1) Bar Manager hands KIX $50 walking back to the Bar. Or better yet done in dialog: BAR MANAGER: Here's the $50 for the gig. or something on that order. Remember, talk in pictures these end up being scene settings for the reader, typically a director to get an understand of the scene and it must be in as few words as possible. I will assume that you cleaned some of this up after the comments left by Earl Thompson. I agree that you must refrain from giving instructions, first directors don't like it and more importantly, actors will take offense. With respect to your transission on the dream sequence, that is probably okay so long as you continue to resist doing too many instructions...that will come later should this be purchased and you should know that as a first time author, the best you can hope for is the opportunity to try the first re-write, but more likely that one of the studio or production staff writers will do that...it really depends on the agent's abilities when you get one. Finally, in as much as I see value in the ZHURA Web Site, I have concern about publically posting work you hope, or have intent of someday presenting. Public Domain is a concern of every author, especially when it is not registered or copyrighted, and at this stage, it is neither. I do understand wanting encouragement and critique or the work, but realize that Public Domain can become an issue if the work is intended as more than a training tool. I agree also with Earl that there are numerous mistakes being made by writers on this site, but whereas most, if not all, are inexperienced, it is to be expected. Yu would do well to search out information relating to screenplay writing and take some time to read a few actual scripts from movies you are familiar with so you can relate the craft to the end product. As with many writers on this site, I encourage you to keep plugging away at it and if this is your dream and passion, your writing will evolve with effort and research. Best of luck to you. Thanks for contacting me. Terry D. Hilmer. PS you may check out my web site at:
www.TerryDHilmerGroup.com for an example of a script. you will see other works there, but that is the only one I will reveal in full to the public. Again, Public Domain is a concern to us all. My other works are limited to loglines and synopsis only. Good Luck!
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- K - (Sent 3 years, 6 months ago)
I've never actually laughed just reading a script, but I suppose there's a first time for everything! The humor in this flows wonderfully through the scenes, and I really like where it's heading. It's like Tenacious D's Pick of Destiny if had been actually funny.

This reminds me a lot of Beerfest or Orgaszmo, to be honest. Mostly because of the group humor and semi-satiric nature of it all. Some things are a bit over the top, but they are over the top in the right places. Just remember it'll have to stay pretty over the top throughout.

I am a bit worried that the Mike and DJ running gag might have already been pushed too far for it to sustain a full feature. I liked when it was just a side thought, but then he grabbed his hand and that kinda moved it too far ahead too fast. Then again, maybe you can take it far further.

Also, there are no real descriptions of anyone but Garry. I don't know anything about the band members, nor the wives, nor the other side characters. While they don't all have to be fleshed out, it would be nice to have an image to go with it.

My thoughts: keep it up! If you can keep the humor at the consistency it is now, this will only get better.
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Earl Thompson (Sent 3 years, 6 months ago)
Here is what's happening with these scripts on this site. Most people are writing movies rather than stories. A script does not become a movie until it's bought and it's made into a movie. Concentrate on the story you're writing. First of all when you're writing a script, you have to make sure you have an interesting story. Re-read this story and see how interesting it is to you. Did you have a plan for a story when you wrote this? You begin your story by saying INT. DARK BAR - NIGHT. If this is the name of the bar, well that's okay. Saying "the scene opens", is wrong. You're supposed to concentrate on a story. Here is an example of the way the story should have began. INT. DARK BAR - NIGHT
"There is a band on the stage playing listlessly. There are nine patrons there watching them."

You shouldn't be talking about scene, it's like you're writing a novel, the difference is that you're using screenplay headings. And there is another part where you have FLASHBACK MONTAGE. Montage is a series of shots. When you're writing FLASHBACKS, it should be like this. If you're starting with interior, it should be like this INT. HOUSE - DAY (FLASHBACK)
A flashback normally ends with a scene heading, for example, INT. HOUSE - DAY (PRESENT) I recently had one of my scripts professionally critiqued, if you e-mail me at tearl@ymail.com, I will e-mail it to you and let you see.
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Jim Bennett (Sent 3 years, 6 months ago)
Thanks all for your feedback! I appreciate each one of you getting back to me so quickly.

Terry: I'm trying like hell not to add too much fluff. Believe me, from my original up to this point, there is a lot that has been trimmed. I'll take your pointers about common words and thin the verbage.

K: Thanks. I was going to write one more conflict with the gay innuendo and end it. I'm glad you enjoy it. I too felt like I was rushing that gag too much.

Earl: I'm trying to write as professionally formatted a script as I can. However, with the three books I've read, they tell me something different in regards to formatting. From what I gather, that's the problem with reading screenplay books and not taking classes. But I'll take your advice and go with that because I think that would make the script an easier read.

Thanks again guys..
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West Kossuth (Sent 3 years, 6 months ago)
hahaha! awesome script. i would go see it if it was in theaters. the only suggestion i have is with the whole "old lady" thing. it makes it sound like they're talking about their moms, not their girlfriends. a little confusing at first. but still good job.
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Jim Bennett (Sent 3 years, 6 months ago)
West: It's just slang from the 70's. I chose that phrase over the conventionals of today to show how these people just can't let go of the past.
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- K - (Sent 3 years, 6 months ago)
Nice progress. You've really got a good grip on their dialog and it flows very naturally! I especially love the conversation with Kix, Wendy, and Carl, and and in the next scene you do really well giving Kix and Rey something to do while they talk.

I still really like where you're going, but wouldn't they need to hit DJ with something a bit more substantial to get his attention?
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Jim Bennett (Sent 3 years, 6 months ago)
Good point! Made a slight change. Instead of a pick, I'll use a tuner! hehehe
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Stripes (Sent 3 years, 6 months ago)
Aw, darn. I was going to go through and stick in notes for my editing, since that gets more precise results, but... all right. I'll see how this goes. [cracks knuckles]

Okay. I see. ; ) First thing I noticed is some formatting problems. Now, this isn't necessary, and I notice you're working on this. But try to keep your action paragraphs smaller, so the reader isn't overwhelmed by the blocks of text. It makes it an easier and more enjoyable read.

It's pleasant that there isn't much fluff, but it's also not too direct. The flor of the action lines is very smooth.

I also can't help but notice that your dialog is fantastic! And so are your transitions. You find the best places to switch from scene to scene.

Gary's first words are amazing. Gives us a clear but believable insight as to what he thinks, haha!

"Carl: My old lady made a roast. Gary: Sounds lovely. Get in the fucking van." Goodness. I can't even describe how amazingly marvelous your dialog is. It's so snappy and clever, and anything but forced. You definitely have a gift.

I also adore how Gary gets all flustered after being yelled at by Carl's lady. Cute. : )

OH. MY. GOODNESS. AHAHAHAHAH. "No sir, I feel kinda gay." THAT, MY FRIEND, IS HILARIOUS. Laughed out loud. Not even joking or exaggerating. Should I turn back time and record it?

Okay. Got to page twenty. I really, really want to keep going, but it's late and if I don't head off to bed then I'll explode. I'll drop by tomorrow and read more, though. Definitely.
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Dillon (Sent 3 years, 5 months ago)
very fresh dialogue.

whats under dick?
This is no time for riddles.

fucking hilarious.

you've got great characters, excellent dialogue, now you just need to get the flow of the story down.

4 stars
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Dawn Chapman (Sent 3 years, 5 months ago)
Hey there, saw your post on discussions, thought i would leave a few notes.

Pet hate of mine is too many !. Be very careful in putting these in especially after every centance of dialogue.
I also like my old lady made a roast, great line. :)

Personally I would also be wary of putting blocks of speah in caps, the actors should know the guy is shouting without the need for this, and some dont like it.
Also like mos says your action lines could do with a good tighten.

Love Diana line
You inadequate, miserable, bring everybody else down with you, lowlife...banana head.

Also love it when Mike says on page 39 so wanna see my penis. LMAO it was a little out the blue but sort of expected at the same time.

Ok read to page 40, and loved the dialogue flows really well. There are how ever too many !!! a good edit here is in need.

Hope this helps, and feel free to bob by and look at any of my stuff. Thanks, Dawn
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George Lester (Sent 3 years, 5 months ago)
Okay, I actually read this last night but I couldn't comment it because I was reading it on my PSP! :D! So you can read scripts and stuff but not comment on anything which is really stupid to be honest. HEY ZHURA, GET A MOBLIE PAGE!

Anyways, I'm going to do this as a compliment sandwich.
Compliment
Bad Thing
Compliment
Just coz it is more fun that way! :D!

Okay, firstly, this is a very very very funny script. It has such orginal comedy that I was sitting and laughing out loud to. IT reminded me a little bit of School OF Rock only with a more believable storyline.
I love Mike, he has so many lines that made me burst out laughing.
"I want to kiss them", "Wanna see my penis?"
His obseesion with DJ is so well written.

Two bad things.
1) Don't put your dialogue in CAPS. I find it annoying to read and if you're directng anyway, you can tell him to be angry or an exclamation point is fine.
2) Don't double your exclamation points, that bugs me to hell. YOu only need one to emphasis a point, you never need two.

This is just way way too funny and I love it! THe winking of Hary to the "You're making him gay" of Kix. I love these characters. "I want to kiss them!" :D!
I was disappointed when I got to the last page and the last line was "Of course, sir, I'll be right back with your beverage." I kept on scrolling for a minute trying to find more of the script. Which is good, because I didn't want it to end! :D!

Well done! :D!
Feel free to read the new version of A GRade! :D!

XxkissessxX
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Jim Bennett (Sent 3 years, 5 months ago)
Thanks George! I'm going to go back and edit out the double exclamations and caps!
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D. Johnson (Sent 3 years, 5 months ago)
Hello Jim Bennett.

Got a chance to look through your first few pages - There's a lot of good advice here about trimming narrative, etc. -I don't know if you've got your story down yet, but first and foremost, tend to that before you worry excessively about format. Fixing it for a final draft? Definitely, but first you need to conquer the story. And in a first draft that can involve messy narrative for many. When I feel like I'm done with a story, I'll go back and edit down the unnecessary narrative 6 or 7 times before I consider it a "final draft."

Anyway, I like the dialogue, the character interactions and the visuals you've set up in your first 10 pages. You've even got a goal setup - to be the best cover band ever! Good first draft start. I'll try to pick up more on this one later.
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Jim Bennett (Sent 3 years, 5 months ago)
Thanks! I'm trying to cut down as much as possible!
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Kevin Ryan (Sent 3 years, 4 months ago)
Ok Jim I'm on my break so I'll go and read as much as I can and put points here ya?

First line of sentences could be broken up. It's a big block of words you know.

Oh on page 2 in mike's first words there is an ing left in there in case you forget.

Ok just gotta page 9 and I gotta go. Dialogue is very good, I read that really easily and always knew who was speaking without having to look back or anything.
Character's interact well with each other, something thatI wish I could do as well as you.
Gary is my fave so far, he's funny, kinda reminds me of the old fella outta dodgeball you know.
A few mistakes in the dialogue that just need to be edited but am I mistaken in thinking that there was a few curse words that have been taken out?

I'll be back later to read on, it's a nice fast opening.

Oh and sorry but I don't know the songs so far which I think if I did could've made me enjoy it more if I had there tunes in my head, hardly blaming you though for that ha ha
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Jim Bennett (Sent 3 years, 4 months ago)
Thanks for commenting. I edited the script at work and they have a netnanny type program. So, the curses were all deleted. I guess I missed some when I went back to replace them! lol
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Kevin Ryan (Sent 3 years, 4 months ago)
'See, you're making him gay" ha ha funny stuff. I'll come back to comment later with more time but that's funny stuff.
Oh and you spelt Kix as Kit on that page.
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Kevin Ryan (Sent 3 years, 4 months ago)
Ok Jim got to page 66 today and was supposed to comment earlier but got interrupted.
My impressions, LOve the character's. They all fit in well together and especially now the thing with D'J and Mike, very funny.
Now with Carl I honestly, kinda thought he got pushed too far in the back once the business at the start with the wife.
It was only until he started talking about his book deal that he came back to my attention, maybe just a little scene before this about him talking that he'd love to write a book or something, to be honest I think you could because this has a lot of funny moments, and not only by one character but pretty much all ya know.
Now when Kix comes out of the toilets with his pants down, I think Gary could do a lot better than calling him mr.pants. Gary kinda let me down there, Aaah Gary come on man!

Now at the moment I think Gary isn't as authorative now there famous which is a small let down but maybe I'm jumping the gun.
Gary outside TRL live, very funny and shows a bit of a different side to Gary, but one of my favourite scenes so far.
Like at the moment I'd definately give this a 4, I'm surprised how funny it is and truely one of the best script I've read, especially the character's feel very real if you understand.
I'll be back to read more very soon.
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Kevin Ryan (Sent 3 years, 4 months ago)
Ah now ok Jim I read this a few days ago and can now have time to comment, which in one way could be a good sign that it's memorable.
Yes, from start to finish it is very, very funny and there are so many great scenes, TRL, In the Interview room (every time) and the interview on radio to name only a few so good job there.
Very good dialogue and unbelievably believable! You have a gift with character's interacting with each other.
I can't pick a character in it who I didn't like and yes Carl does come back into it more but none of them get in the way of each other from when I read it.
Now one thing is when Gary got compared to the fella out of the Real World.
Don't know what that is, is it that popular? Kinda think someone better could have been used. But i'll leave you off with one joke not coming off :)

Now I read a comedy on another site and liked it. But I read a review on it and the reviewer made the arguement that it was just a collection of jokes and no story. Point is there was no goal to achieve or dilemma or anything for the character's that I think is the same here.
When they beat Flashback to first place at page 51 there kinda done and just not doing much after that, there's no conflict or anything do you understand?
Now I'm not a pro or anything so I could be wrong and it might'nt matter the slightest for a comedy but I'm just giving you want I think might be the way it works, I could be wrong.
It's definately a four in my eyes, and a high one at that but I don't wanna seem to easy a rater and put down a 5 ha ha!
Hope I helped a bit.
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Kevin Ryan (Sent 3 years, 4 months ago)
I really liked it.
  • (4/5 stars)
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George Lester (Sent 3 years, 2 months ago)
I loved it too much!!!11
It was even better second time round, thought a rating was needed on this mother! :D!
XXkissessxX
  • (5/5 stars)
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Kevin Ryan (Sent 3 years, 1 month ago)
Hey Jim, just popped into this page and wanted to remind ya that you might wanna break up that big block of action at the very beginning ya know
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Jim Bennett (Sent 3 years, 1 month ago)
Thanks! I've been meaning to fix that. I just entered this screenplay into a contest.
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Riley Maassen (Sent 2 years, 2 months ago)
I loved it! I love stories about bands and this one was amazing!! I love the plot and everything! I also thought it was frickin' hilarious. i can't wait to read the rest of it!!!!
  • (5/5 stars)
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D. Johnson (Sent 2 years, 2 months ago)
Hey, Jim.

I touched on this again after a year :]

After reading about 16 pages, I started thinking about what your thematic structure was. And I jotted down a slew of notes that I'll send you separately, even though I've only read 16 pages. They might have nothing to do with the rest of the script, or you might think they're useful! Either way, I hope I helped :]

DJ
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Jim Bennett (Sent 2 years, 2 months ago)
Thanks to both of you and everyone who's commented on this script. I think it was a great script before and I'm very excited to split the script into a 2 part series and see where it takes me!
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. (Sent 2 years, 2 months ago)
Jim, I apologize. This comment was typed at school today, and a guy I have a big issue with wrote it. I know that this sounds very corny, but it's completely true. I Apologize a lot. I have also read the script, and I think it's terrific, you're very talented and I'd love to see this get made.

I was in the library, school computers today, and a boy, Alex, wrote that against my will when I left the room. I have a big problem with him. Whether you choose to believe me or not, that's the truth.

So I apologize. And as a writer myself, it's completely unprofessionally and gramatically unsound. That wasn't me. I will have a script up soon, and to have somebody write the same about mine would be annoying at the least.

Again, I apologize and hope you'll forgive this bastard (he tried to delete my script, which is in personal at the moment).

D.
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Jim Bennett (Sent 2 years, 1 month ago)
No prob.
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Riley Maassen (Sent 2 years, 1 month ago)
I just thought of this the other day because I heard "Hey Jude" on the radio, but, who plays the piano in the beginning? And who sings backup vocals? I mean, even if they come in at the end of Hey Jude, there'd have to be a piano somewhere, right? Just wondering. The thought crossed my mind and I had to ask.
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Jim Bennett (Sent 2 years, 1 month ago)
You don't need a piano to play the song. You could play the piano parts on guitar. I was in a band that covered "Hey Jude" and the guitar player just strummed the chords in lieu of the piano. It sounded great!
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Riley Maassen (Sent 2 years, 1 month ago)
okay, just wondering! my band did a cover of Don't Stop Believin' and we played the piano part roughly on guitar. who sings back up? I'm curious.
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Jim Bennett (Sent 2 years, 1 month ago)
I haven't really designated back up singers, but I would assume that both DJ and Carl are back up singers. Maybe just Carl. I don't know. I haven't written it through.
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Gregory D Goyins (Sent 2 years, 1 month ago)
Has no one picked this brilliant script up yet?
I really like this piece Jim.
Glad to see you still dusting it off.

Happy New Year.

Namaste,
G
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Jim Bennett (Sent 2 years, 1 month ago)
Not yet. I cut it in half and now have to put some meat on these bones. Thanks for the encouragement!
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Dawn Chapman (Sent 2 years, 1 month ago)
I don't understand why you cut the script in half? Its too short now to be classed as a feature film. Let us know what you intend with doing to it. It was great the way it was.

D
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Jim Bennett (Sent 2 years, 1 month ago)
I'm filling in the script. I've had this script covered twice and Kev also made the same point. The second half of the script lost steam and didn't really fit in with the first. I'm going to rewrite both halves and fill it in. I've added 17 pages to this script so far, filling in back story and such. If you read it now you may notice some new scenes and depending on when you give it a read, you'll see where I've left off. It should be about 105-115 pages when I'm through.
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Dawn Chapman (Sent 2 years, 1 month ago)
Oh ok well when you finish let me know, I will read it through again. :)

D